Is USS the same as SS2 without the speed loss

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Is USS the same as SS2 without the speed loss
Tweet Topic Started: Oct 19 2014, 09:04 AM (2,128 Views)
AvatarReiko	Oct 19 2014, 09:04 AM Post #1
Posts: 493 Group: Member Member #10,670 Joined: January 3, 2014 Gender Male Favourite Anime Bleach, Dragonball Z What Browser do you use? Safari Favourite Manga Bleach	Cell complemented Trunks and told him that his power had surpassed, but later said that it still wouldn't be enough is beca`use the affects his speed and mobility due his bully muscles. In terms out power out, is USSJ just as powerful`as SSJ2.



+ Clearin	Oct 19 2014, 10:46 AM Post #2
Posts: 12,580 Group: Elite Member Member #6,372 Joined: June 18, 2011 Gender Not Specified Country United Kingdom	It might be, it might not be. It's up to you, basically.



Billa	Oct 19 2014, 11:08 AM Post #3
Thala na Gethu! Posts: 4,218 Group: Member Member #7,273 Joined: February 3, 2012 Favourite Anime Nothin What Browser do you use? Nothin Favourite Manga Nothin	No way, man. Trust me, I was under the same impression few years ago. Just NO! Cell was heavily suppressed & if you read the manga, Cell was only serious against Goku. Who was nothing when compared to Perfect Cell's Full-Power & Trunks was singing praises of FPSSJ Goku. Without the speed problem & bulky body, USSJ may be about/superior to FPSSJ. But no way nearing SSj2.



+ Yusuke	Oct 19 2014, 03:15 PM Post #4
Posts: 7,023 Group: Elite Member Member #9,876 Joined: August 11, 2013 Gender Male Country Canada	I sorta view ASSJ and USSJ as inferior powerups compared to SSJ2, both in power and speed.
	Ask Yusuke


+ Kaboom	Oct 19 2014, 06:11 PM Post #5
Posts: 1,927 Group: Elite Member Member #9,984 Joined: August 24, 2013 Gender Male Country United States Favourite Anime Dragon Ball What Browser do you use? Chrome Favourite Manga One Punch Man	This is how I've come to view it. Both the Grade forms and Super Saiyan 2 are tapping into the same reserve of "beyond Super Saiyan" power, and the upper limit of power for both versions is the same, the roughly "SS1 x2" power that Super Saiyan 2 grants. But the Grade forms do it in a flawed way, so they bring severe drawbacks along with the power.



+ Yusuke	Oct 19 2014, 06:18 PM Post #6
Posts: 7,023 Group: Elite Member Member #9,876 Joined: August 11, 2013 Gender Male Country Canada	Kaboom Oct 19 2014, 06:11 PM This is how I've come to view it. Both the Grade forms and Super Saiyan 2 are tapping into the same reserve of "beyond Super Saiyan" power, and the upper limit of power for both versions is the same, the roughly "SS1 x2" power that Super Saiyan 2 grants. But the Grade forms do it in a flawed way, so they bring severe drawbacks along with the power. So your saying 2nd Grade = SSJ2 in power only with stamina/ki loss?
	Ask Yusuke


+ Pyrus	Oct 19 2014, 06:33 PM Post #7
Posts: 39,342 Group: Legend Member #5,088 Joined: August 1, 2010 Gender Not Specified Country Chile	Gohan isn't so special anymore.
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+ Kaboom	Oct 19 2014, 07:07 PM Post #8
Posts: 1,927 Group: Elite Member Member #9,984 Joined: August 24, 2013 Gender Male Country United States Favourite Anime Dragon Ball What Browser do you use? Chrome Favourite Manga One Punch Man	Urameshi Oct 19 2014, 06:18 PM So you're saying 2nd Grade = SSJ2 in power only with stamina/ki loss? No, Grade THREE (which is at the "upper limit" I mentioned) has the same amount of raw power as Super Saiyan 2, but with the obvious stamina and speed loss. Grade Two would fall somewhere in between that and regular Super Saiyan 1, and grants a balance of extra power and speed in exchange for some stamina drain and stress. Pyrus Oct 19 2014, 06:33 PM Gohan isn't so special anymore. Well Gohan was already a lot more powerful overall than Trunks was BEFORE he went Super Saiyan 2, and even if not, any equal-powers battle between an SS Grade 3 and an SS2 is going to be won by the latter.



+ Yusuke	Oct 20 2014, 01:40 AM Post #9
Posts: 7,023 Group: Elite Member Member #9,876 Joined: August 11, 2013 Gender Male Country Canada	Kaboom Oct 19 2014, 07:07 PM Urameshi Oct 19 2014, 06:18 PM So you're saying 2nd Grade = SSJ2 in power only with stamina/ki loss? No, Grade THREE (which is at the "upper limit" I mentioned) has the same amount of raw power as Super Saiyan 2, but with the obvious stamina and speed loss. Grade Two would fall somewhere in between that and regular Super Saiyan 1, and grants a balance of extra power and speed in exchange for some stamina drain and stress. IDK about that, I view the Grade forms (along with LSSJ if were counting non-canon stuff) to all be inferior to SSJ2 mainly cause their only extensions to the original SSJ form where as SSJ2 is a new form all together.
	Ask Yusuke


+ Kaboom	Oct 20 2014, 02:02 AM Post #10
Posts: 1,927 Group: Elite Member Member #9,984 Joined: August 24, 2013 Gender Male Country United States Favourite Anime Dragon Ball What Browser do you use? Chrome Favourite Manga One Punch Man	Well I guess that's the difference... All of the above were treated and labeled as forms and levels of power "beyond Super Saiyan," but Super Saiyan 2 was what happened when someone finally did it the "correct" way. So I just treat them all (Grade 3, LSS, SS2) as just different manifestations of the same power. It works.



SSJ	Oct 20 2014, 02:09 AM Post #11
Posts: 16,377 Group: General Member #8,258 Joined: September 8, 2012 Gender Female Country Sweden Favourite Anime Psycho Pass, Steins;Gate, Fullmetal Alchemist: Brotherhood Favourite Manga One Piece, Berserk, Rurouni Kenshin, Gantz	I agree with Kaboom. "Super Saiyan 2" was a name coined by Goku, it doesn't really tell us that it's a completely different source of power. In fact I believe it's still considered to be ascending the Super Saiyan wall, which is exactly what the grade forms did. When Majin Vegeta and Goku were fighting, Gohan noted that they must be fighting "beyond the Super Saiyan limits" (Viz), which is pretty much what the grade forms did. SSJ 2 is just the correct application of the ascension.



+ Yusuke	Oct 20 2014, 02:24 AM Post #12
Posts: 7,023 Group: Elite Member Member #9,876 Joined: August 11, 2013 Gender Male Country Canada	I guess we can agree to disagree. Personally, I just see SSJ2 as completely transcending the SSJ wall where as the other forms only get a certain distance up the wall. USSJ being equal to SSJ2 in strength works well though.
	Ask Yusuke


lazerbem	Oct 20 2014, 02:42 AM Post #13
Posts: 10,662 Group: Forum Moderator Member #10,435 Joined: November 1, 2013 Gender Male Country United States Favourite Anime Asura's Wrath(it counts) What Browser do you use? Google Chrome	Trunks wet himself when he felt Goku's power. For this to work, you'd have to put the SSJ2 multiplier sinfully low so that he's weaker than 50% MSSJ Goku, but still a decent power-up from ASSJ And for all Trunks knew, Goku was using USSJ, he didn't see him or any sort of speed loss.
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SSJ	Oct 20 2014, 02:44 AM Post #14
Posts: 16,377 Group: General Member #8,258 Joined: September 8, 2012 Gender Female Country Sweden Favourite Anime Psycho Pass, Steins;Gate, Fullmetal Alchemist: Brotherhood Favourite Manga One Piece, Berserk, Rurouni Kenshin, Gantz	lazerbem Oct 20 2014, 02:42 AM Trunks wet himself when he felt Goku's power. For this to work, you'd have to put the SSJ2 multiplier sinfully low so that he's weaker than 50% MSSJ Goku, but still a decent power-up from ASSJ And for all Trunks knew, Goku was using USSJ, he didn't see him or any sort of speed loss. Goku was only stated to outstrip everyone when he used his full power. Also I believe the Grade forms radiate a different type of ki as Piccolo was able to tell that Vegeta was transforming.



+ Kyouks	Oct 20 2014, 02:54 AM Post #15
Posts: 10,305 Group: Elite Member Member #8,102 Joined: August 11, 2012 Gender Other Country South Africa Favourite Anime Hentai What Browser do you use? The best one Favourite Manga They all suck	lazerbem Oct 20 2014, 02:42 AM Trunks wet himself when he felt Goku's power. For this to work, you'd have to put the SSJ2 multiplier sinfully low so that he's weaker than 50% MSSJ Goku, but still a decent power-up from ASSJ Or you could just have Grade 2 Trunks that much weaker than 50% Goku. Still, Trunks wetting himself shouldn't mean much as far as his Grade 3 form goes; Vegeta wet himself against initial Cell, even though he also unlocked Grade 3, because Grade 3 is useless in battle. (And I think people are saying that the SSJ ---> Grade 3 boost is the same as the SSJ2 boost, not the Grade 2 ---> Grade 3 boost). lazerbem Oct 20 2014, 02:42 AM And for all Trunks knew, Goku was using USSJ, he didn't see him or any sort of speed loss. We know for a fact that he wasn't thinking that, actually. Trunks: “S-so then…When they fight, they’ll [perform] an ev-even more tremendous transformation…!” Vegeta: “Are you an idiot?...You don’t seem to think things over…They’ve judged that state as the best! If they get used to that as a matter of habit, then even if they raise their battle power, the strain on their body is very small! [ ] They’ve thought this through…” Super Saiyan Oct 20 2014, 02:44 AM Also I believe the Grade forms radiate a different type of ki as Piccolo was able to tell that Vegeta was transforming. Or it could just be that your chi spikes/fluctuations/whatever are different when transforming compared to when you're just powering up. Post whatever Piccolo said, will you? Not seeing anything in the SC. Edited by Kyouks, Oct 20 2014, 02:55 AM.



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